Paul Mackie of Mobility Lab joins me this week to discuss transportation demand management (TDM), urban mobility, and how cities need to adapt to change the transportation status quo.

I ask Paul how he got into transportation and biking, and why messages about active transportation should be more positive, instead of making us feel at risk and less likely to ride. We also talk about how awesome people are on the bus, and how we would all benefit from getting in the habit of riding buses and bikes. Have a listen.