Parking Madness: New York vs. Poughkeepsie

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We’re on to the second round in Parking Madness, Streetsblog’s annual tournament devoted to shaming our national addiction to huge expanses of surface parking. This year’s bracket exclusively features parking craters by transit stations — and it’s a crowded field.

There is one more undecided match from the first round: The poll for Hartford vs. Cleveland is open until tomorrow afternoon.

Today a small town commuter rail station takes on a big city subway stop in the first Elite Eight matchup.

Queens — Willets Point/Citi Field

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A subway line and a commuter rail stop both serve the site where the Mets play, which overcame a Norfolk, Virginia, parking crater in the first round of the tournament. Reader Hugh Shepard says it would be put to better use as badly needed housing.

As other readers pointed out, the site has been the subject of some fierce development battles. It was slated for a mega-mall until a court put a halt to that idea in 2012. Currently, Governor Andrew Cuomo envisions building a rail connection to LaGuardia Airport that starts here — a project that’s been roundly derided as a waste of money.

And guess what Cuomo wants to build here for the new transit connection? More parking, of course.

Poughkeepsie

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This Poughkeepsie eyesore at the terminal station on Metro-North’s Hudson Line beat out another Metro-North stop in Fairfield, Connecticut, in round one.

Jay Arzu, who submitted this site, says downtown Poughkeepsie has been decimated by parking lots, but the city has been working to redevelop this particular site. If that ever happens, it looks like a big improvement:

Rendering: Harriman.com
Rendering: Harriman.com

Clearly both of these sites could be so much more than parking lots. Which deserves the shame of making it to the Final Four?

Which city has the worst parking crater?

  • Poughkeepsie (66%, 253 Votes)
  • New York (34%, 133 Votes)

Total Voters: 386

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  • Brad Aaron

    I love Parking Madness so much.

  • Andrew

    Bear in mind that part of the eyesore in the New York example is Corona yard/shop, which is kind of important to the operation of the 7 train (by which I mean to say that, without it, there would be no 7 train at all), and the adjacent Casey Stengel bus depot. There’s way too much parking in the area, but not everything shown here is parking (at least not for automobiles).

  • bggb

    I’m confused, a parking lot at a commuter train station doesn’t seem egregious to me.

  • Paul Hesse

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cdd6d1441b7c9e70c84670849bbb589a1c3ddbfb395c3509adf29631ff9338b6.png For the record, as a planner working in the City of Poughkeepsie, I can confirm that the City is well aware of both the challenges and opportunities around our train station. As a number of people have pointed out, the photo is slightly misleading because you can’t tell that there is a parking garage at the train station. Nevertheless, there are a lot of surface parking lots surrounding the station and therefore a lot of redevelopment potential. The City recently adopted a Waterfront Redevelopment Strategy and form-based zoning code for the area, and we are thinking about how to introduce more fiscally productive, transit-oriented uses while maintaining great public access to the waterfront and surrounding amenities (think Walkway Over the Hudson, Mid-Hudson Children’s Museum, Waryas Park, etc.) and neighborhoods like Mount Carmel and Lower Main Street. In fact, in partnership with MTA Metro North, we’re soon going to be releasing a Request for Expressions of Interest for non-park, publically held parcels around the train station. And just to be clear, the rendering provided in the blog post was from an older analysis of redevelopment potential and does not depict and current master plan for the area. There is, however, an illustrative plan of potential redevelopment that can be found in the Waterfront Redevelopment Strategy that would be allowed under zoning and it’s worth checking out (see the link below). http://cityofpoughkeepsie.com/wp-content/files/plan/2015_WaterfrontRedevelopmentStrategy_FINAL.pdf

    Sorry to post such a serious response to this, because I know this is supposed to be fun. But I mean, come on…..how is it that Pok is losing to Citi Field?!? 🙂

  • Bryan K

    Just read through that Pdf and it all sounds really great! I think Pok deserves a face lift… After all we are the Queen City of the Hudson and right now were more like the red headed step child of the hudson.
    A question I do have is are there any plans to redesign the atrocious, disastrous, god forsaken intersection that is 44/55 and Rt 9?! I mean a figure 8 with left exits…. Horrible. I know its super tight there so is there anything that can be done?!

  • Paul Hesse

    Bryan, now you’re talking about something near and dear to my heart: addressing issues with our urban highways. Check out the link below to see some work we’re doing on the “City Center Connectivity Project.” This project is intensely focused on Market Street (as currently designed, something of an urban highway itself) as a model complete street, i.e. giving equal consideration to pedestrians and bicyclists, transit users and persons with limited mobility, and de-prioritizing the automobile while overall improving the public realm. And we’re thinking more broadly about how these types of complete streets interventions can be replicated on other downtown streets, namely the arterial highways.

    http://cityofpoughkeepsie.com/pcccp/

  • Bryan K

    Cool… I wish i had known all this was going on a while ago! Id love to get involved if I am able to! I wish I had seen that open house too!

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