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    “Riiight. How many white people get shot reaching for their identification as directed by police?”

    Let’s be clear, it’s not “people” being shot by police. It’s men. And it happens twice as often to white men as it happens to black men. Just because it’s not in your twitter feed doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. None of them are particularly difficult to find online should you be interested.



    You can at least safely get to the bus stop in Asheville, not so the one in Silver Spring, which is less than a mile from my house. I have wondered why it’s there many times, there is a better one about 200 yards away.



    If you look at Google Maps, the Silver Spring stop has no reason to exist. That neighborhood is served by three stops in each direction in less than half a mile. They should be consolidated into a stop with a shelter and a crosswalk, and the others eliminated.



    There is a hotel directly across Cambridge street that workers would conceivably like to access safely. Patrons at that hotel may also desire ingress to the transit system.


    Kevin Love

    Silver Spring got my vote because, 1) it is used; 2) one can walk along the side of the ditch. The hill, not so much. Everyone using this is crossing a very dangerous road right at the stop.



    Car ownership rates also reflect income and poverty. Seattle is wealthier than Atlanta and Boulder is wealthier than Las Vegas.


    Kevin Love

    Yes, but the Boston stop is not doing any harm. The worst that can be said about it is that it is a waste of resources, and not many resources either.

    The Henrietta stop is actively doing harm. So it got my vote.



    But shouldn’t it be the goal to place and design bus stops that people actually want to use?



    Henrietta is sad, Boston is dangerous.


    Kevin Love

    I too voted for Henrietta for the same reason as others have given. The Boston bus stop is absurd, but is not actually causing any harm because it is not in a location where people would have high (or any) demand to use it.

    The fact that the Henrietta stop is messing up people’s lives because they have to use it gets this stop my vote.


    John Pelletier

    I am from Boston, but that Rochedter stop is actually used. It gets my vote for sure



    Gonna be an injustice if Rochester doesn’t advance here



    I sent the Broomfield post to a friend who moved from there about five years ago. He is a hard core transit, walking, and biking person, so I thought he’d have a good comment. Here’s what he sent me: “That stop is 1.5 blocks from my old house. Worked fine for me :)”

    Now, maybe it worked because he is healthy and can spring across the road, or maybe he never had to cross the street on foot (he often put his bike on the bus to get to CU-Boulder.) Just passing on a comment from someone who used the stop all the time.



    While there may not be racial profiling (especially for night stops – it’s virtually impossible to see the driver’s race in the dark) cops most certainly profile by vehicles. Any kid who drove a stereotypical “rice rocket” or sports car knew they were more likely to get pulled over than if they were driving a frumpy 10 year old SUV.



    Streetsblog should weigh in on the DNC logistics problems. It seems the dependence on Uber, and the use of hotels in suburbs instead of Center City, led to this crisis. But I’m sure it is more complicated than that, and not helped by protestors shutting down the transit system.

    One big takeaway for me: look how far the subway station walk is to the Wells Fargo arena, which is surrounded by enormous parking lots. Instead of placing the arena in the center of the parking lots, couldn’t they have moved the building next to the subway station and put all the parking on the south and east side of the property?

    More here….


    Kenny Easwaran

    “I simply pointed out that in many cases a cop stops a vehicle before even seeing what race the driver is. So the idea that a cop stops a car because of the race of the driver is nonsense.”

    Your first sentence says “in many cases” – I don’t think anyone denies that there are in fact many cases in which traffic stops are initially made in ways that have no relation to the race of the driver.

    However, your second sentence then seems to suggest that it’s “nonsense” to suggest that race *ever* plays a role.

    It may be true that there are some classes of police enforcement that really are unaffected by race. However, the sort of thing that is most relevant for Vision Zero is enforcement of violations in congested urban environments, where the race of the driver is most likely to be visible.

    No one is alleging that every police action is directly shaped by conscious awareness of the race of the person being stopped. But if you don’t recognize that some police actions are sometimes shaped by subconscious associations of danger with the look of a driver, then you’re completely missing the point.



    Broomfield for just that “no pedestrians” sign ON the bus stop pole. There is a MUTCD-approved way of doing that, which is build a railing and put the no peds sign on that.


    Sameer Moudgil

    Suggested correction: the “SUMC’s map” pasted in the article is of Portland metro area, not Denver.


    Mike M

    And JFK would be a “radical right wing extremist”


    Shawn Toombs

    How about you fix them all and quit being a joke..



    You’re wrong. I simply pointed out that in many cases a cop stops a vehicle before even seeing what race the driver is. So the idea that a cop stops a car because of the race of the driver is nonsense.

    Once the vehicle is stopped, the way things proceed is then down to the co-operation and bahavior of the driver.

    And yes, I am color-blind although I prefer the term post-racial.



    Exactly. It’s impossible to have a discussion about race in America because anyone who takes the view that X is not a racist immediately gets called a racist.

    As for the word “troll” use of that usually indicates that the utterer knows that he has lost the debate.


    Tyler Hayes

    There are a few more in Henrietta that are just as bad. Let alone the intersections you have to cross


    Benjamin Kabak

    How is that one in Kansas City even a bus stop?


    Scott Wagner

    Tom Brede, while you are considering shelters, I certainly hope you seriously consider a shelter on the (equally horrible) West Henrietta stroad at the MCC satellite / Strong Ties / Movies 10 plaza. When I pass there on my bike commute to work, there are often more than a dozen people waiting with no shelter from weather or from the vicious traffic spraying them with noxious road salt and slush.


    Tom Brede

    I am the Public Information Officer at RTS and have good news regarding the Rochester stop – we already have a plan in place to install a bus shelter at this location sometime this fall. We have been actively involved in discussions with Wegmans, the business behind the stop regarding the shelter and the possibility of installing a sidewalk that connects the stop to the parking lot. I’ll provide an update here if we make progress on that. Thank you.



    Pollack stated that the MBTA needs to get out a time warp. Great! So when is your resignation Pollack? You’re the Conservation Law Foundation Green Line Extension nut job that’s keeping the MBTA in a time warp. Let the GLX die, and put the money into the EXISTING SYSTEM. How many subway fires does it take to kill a 3-4 BILLION trolley project for 50 people!



    I think it depends on where you are.

    Pittsburgh is strong in vehicular cyclists, who don’t believe in separate infrastructure, in part because what we do have has been done pretty poorly. So a lot of them–and I don’t know that they’re particularly numerous, but they’re particularly vocal–don’t want bike lanes, surely don’t want cycletracks, they just want driver education and enforcement of traffic law.

    I do think it’s also important to distinguish between wanting actually dangerous drivers who are speeding, weaving, texting, or otherwise posing an honest risk to other road users, and this bullshit ‘broken-windows’/nonexistent-broken-taillight type stuff that Castile was pulled over for, much like NYC riders in my feeds want police to stop flagging down cyclists with earbuds and instead focus on the drivers parked in the bike lanes…



    No, you have demonstrated a clear prejudice against people of color through your many, many comments. You refuse to see your privilege. You hide behind sanitized constructs that conveniently ignore the actual context of our current reality. You pass yourself off as “colorblind” when anyone with a brain can understand that this is a bullshit concept to avoid dealing with systemic racism that has benefited entitled, whiny children like yourself. That is why you are a racist. The world and this blog doesn’t need your voice, doesn’t need your hate, and doesn’t need your constant petulant trolling. Move on.



    This is a tough one. It’s impossible to cross from one end to the other in Buffalo. But at least it’s paved and you can find shelter under the awning of the nearby building. Rochester’s is worse in that people actually use it (as evidenced by the waiting pedestrian). You can cross from one side of the road to the other, but the road is unmarked and there are no sidewalks.

    I’d say Rochester is worse because it actually has potential as a stop, whereas Buffalo’s is in a rural area that no one would try to use transit in anyway.



    According to you guys:
    Racist = anyone who doesn’t see everything through a racial lense of assumed victimhood
    Troll = anyone who goes against the narrative



    So anyone who ever denies racism is a racist?



    Rorison Meadows

    More like sorriest region in the US. Buffalo is terrible and Rochester is even worse.


    Mike M




    If you’re not being sarcastic, I hope you acknowledge that the money spent on roads and highways is what’s really bankrupting us and that if car drivers want open smooth roads then they should pay for it too.



    We are sticking to the subject. You’re the one trying to hijack the discussion from a real way to improve safety to a gimmick.



    I saw no statistics and, anyway, such “studies” are typically performed by groups who want to find racism whether it exists or not.

    The main determinant of how such interactions go is how the driver behaves. Are they civil and co-operative? Or evasive and bitter? It makes a difference



    LOL, so if someone suggests that there is no racism involved in n incident, then that person is automatically racist?

    Can you see how utterly self-serving and intellectually bankrupt that claim is?



    I’m sorry, I have no idea what you’re lecturing me about. Honestly. I have nothing against safety, it is in fact, my biggest priority. If “stop-go lines” solved the safety issues at intersections, I’d suggest the obviously be implemented. However, I don’t know that they do, and I don’t think you do either. I’m for evidence based safety policy. Other countries including the one I live in, have vastly better safety records, and they don’t require “stop-go lines” to achieve this. So I’m not convinced that it is useful or necessary.

    I also don’t believe most drivers who run red lights are doing so accidentally by misjudgement. Stop bars might allow us to more judiciously decide whether someone ran a light or not, but I don’t think it will stop it from happening. People are impatient, they don’t want to wait at a red light.

    The other issue is they probably become less and less useful the lower the speed through the intersection. And since lowering speed is something that’s well proven to improve safety….that would be preferred.




    Ignore the racist troll. This one doesn’t accept reality, there is no hope.



    “but of course those who want to see racism everywhere, see it everywhere, whether it exists or not”

    It is profoundly racist to deny the existence of racism in policing, particularly traffic enforcement. I’m not taking everywhere, I’m talking about the subject at hand. It’s been documented and experienced over and over and over again.



    I offered stats. You’ve offered speculation.

    ” vehicle drives by at high speed.”

    People get pulled over all the time not at high speed. Even at 60mph, police can often see the race of drivers.

    “what happens next is down to the behavior and response of the driver.”

    No, it’s down to the behavior of both the driver and the police officer. We have empirical evidence that police view people of different races differently. Here is an example:

    Even if you somehow think black people do something differently to deserve their different treatment at the hands of police, it’s beyond belief that you deny policing behavior plays any role.

    We can have a debate about how much the public vs how much the police play a role, but to suggest police are completely impartial and this is all down to the behavior of people being stopped is ludicrous and racist.Go crawl under your rock.



    You have not proven your case. Imagine a cop car at the side of a highway. A vehicle drives by at high speed. Do you really think the cop even notices the race? No, the cop car responds to the behavior.

    Once the car is pulled over, what happens next is down to the behavior and response of the driver. And races may vary in how they respond, leading to different outcomes.

    but of course those who want to see racism everywhere, see it everywhere, whether it exists or not.



    “As already discussed, most times a cop cannot even see the race of the driver”

    Police can see the race of drivers often enough for their to be measured differences nationally and in many places.

    “So then it comes down to how the driver responds.”
    Riiight. How many white people get shot reaching for their identification as directed by police?

    Please stop with denying racial differences in policing. Your lines may have been believable 20 years ago but we know much more now.



    As already discussed, most times a cop cannot even see the race of the driver – they just see the bad behavior.

    So then it comes down to how the driver responds.



    Lane markers are not mere ‘aids to navigation’. They are defined for and employed in framing laws, just like a crosswalk or a stop-line. Many more drivers would make safer choices if they learnt how to drive safely, or at least had to suffer the consequences of their refusal to do so. The truth is that most people don’t care, until its their loved one in the ER/morgue.

    You are the one taking a dismissive attitude – to any form of traffic light enforcement, to the responsibility of drivers to act in a safe manner. You talk like more drivers would obey the law if they could! But your strategy reveals that your real motive is for drivers to be able to get away with as much as possible without getting caught.

    A StopGoLine only shifts the emphasis of the unsafe behaviour – you will still have people speeding to cross it, blowing through and then claiming that they had reached it. But now you wouldn’t have any cameras to prove otherwise, because your crusade would have already got rid of them. Moreover, consider 2 cars crossing a StopGoLine in close succession. The car ahead sees that the intersection is blocked on the other side and decides to stop. The one behind promptly rear-ends, because you have shifted the onus from the car behind(maintaining safe distance) to the car in front (do NOT stop after the StopGoLine no matter what). The problem with being too specific is that it will reveal the flaws in your solution.



    Incredible. Roxbury, Dorchester, and Mattpan struggle with 40 to 60 minute bus commutes, but $1 Billion plus is put towards a suburban trolley line for predominantly white neighborhoods instead of inner city improvements. Pollack you’re the worst.



    News flash: you put yourself at risk from other drivers every time to step out of your house. Yes, people following closely puts you in danger – but that danger is not only at intersections. Someone might cut you off, a car ahead might have a mechanical failure, there might be a collision ahead which brings traffic to a sudden halt. Your *only* defence against the idiot sucking your exhaust pipe is to slow down pre-emptively and leave more room in front so that you can make a smooth stop.

    This StopGoLine concept is sheer nonsense. How does it tackle the fact that a some one is moving slower than the limit because they are heavily loaded? What if the visibility is low due to fog or rain? What if the roads are slick due to snow or oil? What about bicycles and trucks? How may lines due you plan to have – one for each situation? What about everyone who speeds up to cross the StopGoLine before the light turns, because they believe it gives them magical screw-the-law powers?


    Miles Bader

    (1) Wear hob-nailed boots. Crampons might also be good.

    (2) Just walk over the car


    Miles Bader

    Better yet would be “Why we’re freaking out that our irresponsible driving habits may be exposed”…