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    jeff wegerson

    I would consider it legal destruction by the victim of invasion of privacy. The drone operator was trespassing on private property. It is such a delicious property versus property conundrum.



    You consider the person who illegally destroyed another person’s property “the victim”??


    R.A. Stewart

    Which will entail, inter alia, overturning Citizens United and enacting real campaign finance reform.



    Is the trucking industry going to pay higher fees to offset the damage that larger vehicles cause to our roadways and highways? “Engineers estimate that a fully loaded truck–a five-axle rig weighing 80,000 pounds, the interstate maximum– causes more damage to a highway than 5,000 cars.” And the effect of heavy vehicles on roadways goes up exponentially as weights increase.



    Maybe the question is why people drive after they drink. The answer is simple: in most places, there’s no other convenient way to get home. We wouldn’t have such a big problem if we built cities that didn’t require driving, either by making them walkable, having 24/7 transit, or having reasonably inexpensive taxis.



    When we stop letting corporations pay off our politicians.



    But even incompetent, dangerous drivers vote, and politicians usually travel about in large sedans or heavy SUVs bought or leased with taxpayer money. I’m reminded of that old taunt, “Where did you get your license? In a box of corn flakes?”



    Alarming. When will we stop letting special interests write our laws?


    Alex Brideau III

    I’m not keen on blaming pedestrians for being hit by drivers failing to yield at intersections, but personally I advise everyone to put down their phone when crossing, if only to take away yet another excuse a bad driver might try to use for hitting pedestrians.


    jeff wegerson

    I considered that. But supposedly the right to self defense is factored into the equation. I would call this an issue of self-defense. Also shotguns have a much more limited ability to injure or kill. Ask Dick Cheney’s victim.



    One morning while having coffee on my front porch, I saw two women gazing into their devices walk into each other. There are numerous incidents in Chicago where sexual assaults and robberies happen when the victims are gazing into their devices and not paying attention to their surroundings. No lets not blame victims here, but god, use some common sense. Or don’t people teach their children to look both ways before crossing the street.



    Make the road bigger! Texas in 50 years:



    It’s a bad idea to cross the street while looking into a device, not victim-blaming. Stay alert while crossing the street.



    The elderly are disproportionately killed when walking legally through crosswalks. They are also disproportionately not smartphone users.

    But our infrastructural status quo is definitely not the problem here–move along faster, granny, and remember if you get hit it’s YOUR fault:


    Andy B from Jersey

    I’m all for protected bike lanes. Really, I am. I’m just not for the crap that GLP keeps using as examples in EVERY DAMN ONE of its blog posts!



    Yep; and a lot of people insist that they are being impeded even if the only thing that a bicyclist causes them to do is change lanes to pass, which takes zero time if you do it well before you reach the bicyclist.

    For them it’s about territory; not time.



    San Diego 101: Cars and drivers rule the road; cyclists are seen as an annoyance, particularly if anything they do impedes vehicular traffic flow. The bias is deeply ingrained into the city’s culture and in how the local news media reports events like these.

    The use of the word “mob” by KGTV to describe a group of cyclists is discouraging, but wholly unsurprising. It’s as though the city’s news directors have never been to any other big city.


    Paul Green

    True, but if they never saw you and were not wasted it’s forgivable. Honking at bikers and getting too close is a class A dick move.



    It’s not just the method of transportation that’s a personal choice, as Alex said below. It’s also the choice of where to live. If Chicago did invest the billions needed to widen the freeway and allow free-flowing traffic, the most likely result is that people would move even further out. If they’re willing to put up with an hour-long commute now, they probably are in the future, and they’d take the cheaper and larger properties in the ex-urbs. Which you might count as a benefit for them, but for Chicago it would be a disaster– the city would have spent billions to erode its own tax base.



    Many cities have ordinances against discharging firearms within city limits, with exceptions for law officers and self defense. Back in the 1930s, when my future mom and dad moved into the house where my brother and I would grow up in Monrovia CA, the front lawn was plagued with gophers. Mama would sit on the front porch with a .22 caliber Winchester single shot rifle and pick off the pesky varmints when they stuck their heads above ground. No big deal then–if somebody tried that now, the cops would deploy a SWAT team and there would be three or four news helicopters overhead. (loudspeaker voice: “Put that weapon down slowly. Step back with your hands up.”)



    Many drivers see their vehicles as integral parts of themselves, like a cowboy and his horse. Striking one of these person’s car is, to people with this mindset, equivalent to smacking them in the face. Bicycles don’t count–they are only used by health nuts (bicyclists are probably vegans), poor immigrants, kids and Mormon missionaries. “Real Americans” drive motor vehicles, the heaviest or fastest units they can afford. (End of semi-sarcastic comment)



    Being hit by a car is definitely worse than getting honked at.


    Tyson White

    Too many people have been run over WITH reflectors. Perhaps you can expend this energy on advocating that drivers obey the speed limits, which the majority of them currently don’t.



    You think the police cares if they get sued? All the money comes from taxpayers anyway.



    I’m betting the rider DID knock on the window, I guess fairly gently, but the driver was determined to own the road. This was already demonstrated the previous blocks, yes? So he knocked a little harder to get her to stop. It ended up that she did stop AFTER she got her window broken.

    10-12 riders a mob? I’m guessing 10> waiting in line for a movie is a mob too? :-/

    So what’s the sharrows for again?


    Paul Green

    Certainly seems like she was establishing her dominance of car over bikes. Nothing worse than being honked at for no apparent reason when riding. I can accept when people don’t see you but when they try to alarm and intimidate–that sucks


    Elisabeth Hubbard

    I walk and bike as much as I can and I’ve noticed that drivers behave differently when I wear reflectors at night and when I don’t. It makes a difference to a driver if they can see me 100 feet or 500 feet and I prefer to give them a few more extra seconds to adjust their driving. I’m not telling anyone what to wear, I’m just stating the (obvious) fact that the more visible a bicyclist or pedestrian is, the lower the risk to get hit…


    Alex Brideau III

    LOL. Good to know! I think I’ll be arriving on the last day of the project. :-)


    Khal Spencer

    Probably should not have broken the window, but I suspect this will never get to trial. Stupidly, the motorist was not charged with hit and run. Now I know why one of my former graduate students fled San Diego for a less goofy part of the world.



    Ah, good old victim blaming. Nice.



    Indy resident here. A couple comments:

    1) Indy signed a widely panned parking meter deal a couple years back. It did up the rates (which were insanely low) and digitized it but Indy gave up massive amounts of money for the “privilege.” About the only silver lining for the deal is that parking meters were not installed on the Circle so this project is not eating any parking revenue (terms of the deal require the city to pay ~$15,000 per space vacated).

    2) The project has already evolved. When they first introduced, there were parklets along the outside with two large lanes of traffic. A week later, they put the parking back in place as a buffer for the parklets. Now there is about 1-2 lanes of traffic depending on how narrow you can define a lane. I don’t know for sure if that was the original plan or if it was an on-the-fly adjustment, but it really improved the experience.

    Overall, an amazing thing in such an auto dominated city.


    Tyson White

    We’re on pace for an additional 4,000 deaths. More than 9/11 attacks.


    Guy Ross

    Not sure. The road from which the vid was taken is a ‘bike route’ which is obviously not dedicated. I don’t know if each speed bump in the city is so marked or if this is the indication of the bike route.



    Since when is there no traffic in Dallas?


    Lester Luallin

    Looks like a Nutcase helmet.


    Alex Brideau III

    Well, I’d go a step further and argue that the Chicago commuter’s decision to drive was also a personal choice.

    The Chicago commuter is not forced to be subject to daily congestion between O’Hare and downtown Chicago, but it’s their personal choice of using a car for that trip instead of the L or Metra, both of which connect the two points.



    Doesn’t that prove the point? Congestion caused one driver problems, but not the other. The Dallas driver chose to waste their own time by living father away, the Chicago drivers time is wasted due to congestion.

    Further, Chicago is wasting a bunch of fuel sitting in traffic while Dallas is using the amount of fuel needed to make the trip.

    I’m not at all arguing that Dallas is “wasting” less due to the long commute, but their waste isn’t caused by congestion, it’s caused by personal choice.



    Compare to another person, in Dallas, driving in from three times further away, whose trip takes an hour with no traffic.

    The report would consider your Chicago example an example of waste, while the Dallas example would be fine and not involve any waste at all, even though they spend the same amount of time commuting, and the person in Dallas probably spends more money. That’s weird.



    It would only reveal which rationalization she clings to for her behavior.

    “They were riding in the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD!”

    “The road is for CARS!”

    “Bicycles belong on the sidewalk!”

    “They were in my way!”

    Whatever she says, it will be an attempt to blame them for her honking, tailgating, and passing to close and hitting one of them and running away.



    Read the article:

    “A woman frantically called 911 at about 12:15 a.m. Wednesday in the area of 33rd Street and Adams Avenue after she claimed a group of bicyclists were chasing her. She said one of them had punched her car window and broke it.

    All parties remained at the scene when San Diego police arrived.”



    So let’s say someone is driving from ohare to downtown Chicago everyday. The trip with no traffic would take 20 minutes, but takes that person an hour everyday. That’s 200 wasted minutes per week. That’s not significant?



    “Crystal Fuenza and A.J. Rodriguez, both electricians who saw some of
    the incident, wondered why the driver hadn’t been arrested for trying to
    get away.

    “The guy tried to leave the scene,” said Rodriguez, who said he was
    crossing 6th Street when the accident happened. One of his colleagues
    threw his coffee on the car as the crowd started banging on the vehicle.”

    AJ should be wondering why HE wasn’t arrested for throwing coffee on the guys porsche!


    Paul Green

    Would be interested in hearing her side of the story.



    It is obvious that, in spite of clear prima facie evidence that she left the scene of a collision with a bicycle wedged under her car and an injured victim, in addition to all of the witness testimony of the people who tried to stop her, the police are believing her narrative of the events over that given by the victims friends. She probably threw in a “feared for my life” statement in explaining why she didn’t stop after hitting the cyclist. Regardless, at the very least she should be charged for misdemeanor hit and run under California state law.

    Hopefully the local prosecutors will sort out this mess and actually provide appropriate charges rather than what this very biases police department did. But really, the News Team that reported on this incident should be ashamed for framing it as a ‘motorist vs. biker’ meme and using the inflammatory ‘mob’ statement. I mean really, if there were 10 people in three cars would they have called it a mob who surrounded another motorist?



    Yeah why not? Worked for these folks.



    I’ve been saying this for a while, and I’ll keep saying it: we need a national or local bicycle advocacy group to develop a legal arm and sue the sh*t out of these police departments. This is *clearly* discrimination in all its traditional ugliness and thus seems like an easy win. I feel like the bicycle advocacy organizations have not used the legal arm at all and this is a missed opportunity. Just look at what the environmental movement has been able to accomplish through lawsuits …


    jeff wegerson

    So some potential pervert invades some guys privacy with a low flying drone over his home. The guy shoots it down with a shotgun. Do they arrest the drone owner? No they arrest the victim.



    Spark Monument Circle started on August 1st and will continue through October 16th.


    Alex Brideau III

    I may be travelling to Indy soon. When exactly does this 10-week period start and end?



    I’d like to see Streetsblog keep a closer eye on Indianapolis; they are doing some pretty great stuff. There’s a new bike plan coming out, a massive greenways plan, an update to the zoning code that promotes density and allows developers to exchange car parking spaces for bike parking, all-electric car-sharing, and an impressive regional all-electric bus rapid transit plan that will be going to voters within the next couple of years.